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Good for you for objecting to the assumption the lecturer asked about - though clearly not interested in any other views. The answer to his reply is - what's the point of doing something clearly based on false assumptions and anyway who dcreed there is only one way to do economics?

Even in a very rational, non-idealistic approach, it's clear that there is a very good argument that altruism is essential to our survival and evolution favoured its development:

Sober argues that, even if we accept an evolutionary approach to human behaviour, there is no particular reason to think that evolution would have made humans into egoists rather than psychological altruists. On the contrary, it is quite possible that natural selection would have favoured humans who genuinely do care about helping others, i.e. who are capable of `real' or psychological altruism. Suppose there is an evolutionary advantage associated with taking good care of one's children -- a quite plausible idea. Then, parents who really do care about their childrens' welfare, i.e. who are `real' altruists, will have a higher inclusive fitness, hence spread more of their genes, than parents who only pretend to care, or who do not care. Therefore, evolution may well lead `real' or psychological altruism to evolve. Contrary to what is often thought, an evolutionary approach to human behaviour does not imply that humans are likely to be motivated by self-interest alone. One strategy by which `selfish genes' may increase their future representation is by causing humans to be non-selfish, in the psychological sense.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/altruism-biological/

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Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 06:44:52 PM EST

the missing link:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_52/b3965024.htm

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Jul 23rd, 2007 at 06:51:18 PM EST
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"Contrary to what is often thought, an evolutionary approach to human behaviour does not imply that humans are likely to be motivated by self-interest alone. One strategy by which `selfish genes' may increase their future representation is by causing humans to be non-selfish, in the psychological sense."

This ought to read 'contrary to what is often thought by idiots ...', because it is quite clear in what we might call the 'primary' selfish gene literature (Dawkins and Wilson) that 'selfish' is defined in terms of inclusive fitness. It isn't to do with stiffing everyone else so you can afford a new plasma TV or get a promotion, or even so that you can 'get the most girls' (because that won't necessarily leave you with the most kids, or surviving children via siblings, etc.) The popularization of these ideas has lead to many grievous errors, which often turn up to laughable effect on Internet forums such as, oh, say, 'The Oil Drum', which is otherwise largely top-notch ... 'Hey, we're all doomed, because it's all about babes and you can only score if you've got an SUV, right? And it's like that everywhere, not just the US, it's just human nature, deal with it, dude.'

But now that this idiotic meme has been set loose, it seems it will never die ...

by wing26 on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 08:35:01 AM EST
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"This ought to read 'contrary to what is often thought by idiots ...'"

This seems to be another example of the rather intolerant and self-congratulatory attitude one encounters too often here and elsewhere. They aren't necessarily "idiots" - not everyone has the time to read "what we might call the 'primary' selfish gene literature", nor the primary literature of a lot of other subjects they have some interest in. As you say "The popularization of these ideas has lead to many grievous errors"  - blame the popularizers. For a good example of doing the latter see:

Bad science

Ben Goldacre, Wednesday July 18, 2007, The Guardian

Whatever you think about Andrew Wakefield, the real villains of the MMR scandal are the media. Just one week before his GMC hearing, yet another factless "MMR causes autism" news story appeared: and even though it ran on the front page of our very own Observer, I am dismantling it on this page. We're all grown-ups around here

[Though he does acknowledge this]

 think we should recognise that criticising a paper within the same stable is a very unusual thing, and I think it shows phenomenal integrity that the Guardian was willing to give me the opportunity to write about this as I would about any other newspaper story that was so wrong, even if it took some time. I honestly don't think it could happen anywhere else, especially as I was criticising the central facts of a news story, not a comment or opinion piece.

http://www.badscience.net/?p=457




Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue Jul 24th, 2007 at 06:34:11 PM EST
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I said 'what we might call the primary literature', which implies, accurately for most cases, that it isn't literally the primary literature. I meant the populist stuff like 'The Selfish Gene', and so on. As far as popular discussions of such things are concerned, those books are the primary literature ... and yes I am intolerant of right-wing d*ckheads who can't or won't read and then go on to cite such books as justifying 'why we are all doomed because hey it's all about poontang and therefore SUVs, you can't change human nature', etc.

The 'selfish gene' hypothesis was supposed to explain the (obvious) existence of (limited) altruism, not prove that 'there is no such thing as society'.

That is why am I annoyed about it. If you look at sites on the net (sorry, the Oildrum again), you will see this kind of perverted Social Darwinism crop up again and again. Laughably, one of its previously best-know exponents at that site once said that he 'had never heard of' E.O. Wilson!

Let me be clear: I am not slagging off ordinary people for not reading complicated treatises on ethology. I am slagging off people for taking popular works, which are widely read, and misconstruing them completely to support stupid ideas.

by wing26 on Sat Jul 28th, 2007 at 02:03:55 AM EST
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